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	<title>Comments on: Mothers will do anything to help their kids</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Balbo</title>
		<link>http://ben.dechrau.com/2008/10/15/mothers-will-do-anything-to-help-their-kids/comment-page-1#comment-34272</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Balbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scott!

Sure, Mom&#039;s always want to help. The first email did, however, imply she wanted us to do the work for her son and that is a very big deal. I agree that there are some people who do not always offer great support, but there is always someone who is willing to help.

Lecturers have other duties in addition to teaching and some don&#039;t reply to teaching related emails until they go in to teaching mode - it&#039;s a way for them to manage their time.

If it gets to the point where support is hard to find, and redressing it through formal channels is not tenable then there is a good case for extenuating circumstances. Students should not be expected to work unsupported, but they should be expected to learn how to be independent and seek out all options open to them. This does not include asking someone to do your work for you.

Out of interest, why do you say that redressing issues through formal channels is not tenable? What has your experience been?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott!</p>
<p>Sure, Mom&#8217;s always want to help. The first email did, however, imply she wanted us to do the work for her son and that is a very big deal. I agree that there are some people who do not always offer great support, but there is always someone who is willing to help.</p>
<p>Lecturers have other duties in addition to teaching and some don&#8217;t reply to teaching related emails until they go in to teaching mode &#8211; it&#8217;s a way for them to manage their time.</p>
<p>If it gets to the point where support is hard to find, and redressing it through formal channels is not tenable then there is a good case for extenuating circumstances. Students should not be expected to work unsupported, but they should be expected to learn how to be independent and seek out all options open to them. This does not include asking someone to do your work for you.</p>
<p>Out of interest, why do you say that redressing issues through formal channels is not tenable? What has your experience been?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Reid</title>
		<link>http://ben.dechrau.com/2008/10/15/mothers-will-do-anything-to-help-their-kids/comment-page-1#comment-34268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Ben 100% on this one.

Assignments are an assessment of a student&#039;s ability not just to learn but to comprehend and apply concepts learned through study. 

While there is some merit in being entrepreneurial, the student is not only doing himself a disservice, but is detracting from the professionalism of both programmers and the industry by seeking assistance with an assignment.

If there are general questions about PHP I am sure PHPMelb would be happy to answer them, but we draw the line at facilitating cheating.
It cheats not only the system, but ourselves.

K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Ben 100% on this one.</p>
<p>Assignments are an assessment of a student&#8217;s ability not just to learn but to comprehend and apply concepts learned through study. </p>
<p>While there is some merit in being entrepreneurial, the student is not only doing himself a disservice, but is detracting from the professionalism of both programmers and the industry by seeking assistance with an assignment.</p>
<p>If there are general questions about PHP I am sure PHPMelb would be happy to answer them, but we draw the line at facilitating cheating.<br />
It cheats not only the system, but ourselves.</p>
<p>K.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Arbeitman</title>
		<link>http://ben.dechrau.com/2008/10/15/mothers-will-do-anything-to-help-their-kids/comment-page-1#comment-34266</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Arbeitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t everyone&#039;s mom try to help them in the workplace too?!

Frankly, I don&#039;t see the big deal though. She was asking for help, not for you to complete the assignment. Late, sure. But that just means your rates could be higher; if that isn&#039;t a business lesson, I don&#039;t know what is.

University do not always provide adequate support and self-help facilities. My experience in this regard has been mixed, but there are way too many occasions when my e-mails to lecturers have simply gone unanswered and redressing it through formal channels simply is not tenable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t everyone&#8217;s mom try to help them in the workplace too?!</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t see the big deal though. She was asking for help, not for you to complete the assignment. Late, sure. But that just means your rates could be higher; if that isn&#8217;t a business lesson, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
<p>University do not always provide adequate support and self-help facilities. My experience in this regard has been mixed, but there are way too many occasions when my e-mails to lecturers have simply gone unanswered and redressing it through formal channels simply is not tenable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitry Rybkin</title>
		<link>http://ben.dechrau.com/2008/10/15/mothers-will-do-anything-to-help-their-kids/comment-page-1#comment-34262</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitry Rybkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable!</p>
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		<title>By: mattymcg</title>
		<link>http://ben.dechrau.com/2008/10/15/mothers-will-do-anything-to-help-their-kids/comment-page-1#comment-34260</link>
		<dc:creator>mattymcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of thing is not unprecedented. I got a text message a couple of years ago that read &quot;Hi. My PHP assignment for uni is due tomorrow. You seem like an expert in this area. I can pay you. Help me please, I&#039;m desperate!&quot;

I suppose at least this student had the nerve to try it on by himself, rather than getting mummy to do his or her dirty work! I referred them to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sitepoint.com/books/phpant2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;certain PDF book&lt;/a&gt; and recommended that they begin reading from page 1... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of thing is not unprecedented. I got a text message a couple of years ago that read &#8220;Hi. My PHP assignment for uni is due tomorrow. You seem like an expert in this area. I can pay you. Help me please, I&#8217;m desperate!&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose at least this student had the nerve to try it on by himself, rather than getting mummy to do his or her dirty work! I referred them to a <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/books/phpant2" rel="nofollow">certain PDF book</a> and recommended that they begin reading from page 1&#8230; <img src='http://ben.dechrau.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Cornwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Cornwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, pretty disgraceful. As hypothetical I was actually going to  
suggest:

Agree, do the work &amp; take the cash, then report the whole thing her  
son&#039;s lecturer/professor.

Not entirely ethical, but  I reckon it would probably result in a very  
swift end to her son&#039;s enrollment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, pretty disgraceful. As hypothetical I was actually going to<br />
suggest:</p>
<p>Agree, do the work &amp; take the cash, then report the whole thing her<br />
son&#8217;s lecturer/professor.</p>
<p>Not entirely ethical, but  I reckon it would probably result in a very<br />
swift end to her son&#8217;s enrollment.</p>
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